Model comparison
Qwen Max vs Tulu 3 (Tülu 3) 70B
Qwen Max is the stronger model overall, scoring 34.4 to 32.6 on the Noometry Index.
Last verified . 14 shared benchmarks.
Alibaba (Qwen)
Allen Institute for AI (Ai2)Summary
- They share 14 benchmarks with published results for both. Qwen Max scores higher in 7 categories and Tulu 3 (Tülu 3) 70B in 1 category; 8 gaps are clear of the uncertainty.
- The widest gap is in math, where Qwen Max leads 21.0 to 13.3.
- The biggest single-benchmark swing is MATH Level 5: 67.2% for Qwen Max and 42.7% for Tulu 3 (Tülu 3) 70B.
- Tulu 3 (Tülu 3) 70B has downloadable open weights; the other is API-only.
Side by side
| Qwen Max | Tulu 3 (Tülu 3) 70B | |
|---|---|---|
| Provider | Alibaba (Qwen) | Allen Institute for AI (Ai2) |
| Noometry Index | 34.4 | 32.6 |
| Released | 2024-04-03 | 2024-11-21 |
| Weights | Proprietary | Open |
| Context window | 33K | — |
| Max output | 8K | — |
| Input $ / M tokens | $1.60 | — |
| Output $ / M tokens | $6.40 | — |
| Results tracked | 23 | 14 |
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Category by category
Coding Tulu 3 (Tülu 3) 70B leads
Qwen Max: 30.3 (#288), Tulu 3 (Tülu 3) 70B: 35.4 (#211)
| Benchmark | Qwen Max | Tulu 3 (Tülu 3) 70B |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Coding | 1288 | 1236 |
| Aider Polyglot | 21.8% | — |
Reasoning Qwen Max leads
Qwen Max: 24.1 (#154), Tulu 3 (Tülu 3) 70B: 22.9 (#172)
| Benchmark | Qwen Max | Tulu 3 (Tülu 3) 70B |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Hard Prompts | 1270 | 1220 |
Math Qwen Max leads
Qwen Max: 21.0 (#272), Tulu 3 (Tülu 3) 70B: 13.3 (#297)
| Benchmark | Qwen Max | Tulu 3 (Tülu 3) 70B |
|---|---|---|
| OTIS Mock AIME 2024-2025 | 16.1% | 4.4% |
| LMArena Math | 1275 | 1242 |
| MATH Level 5 | 67.2% | 42.7% |
| FrontierMath (Feb 2025 set) | 1% | — |
Knowledge Qwen Max leads
Qwen Max: 30.3 (#222), Tulu 3 (Tülu 3) 70B: 25.1 (#257)
| Benchmark | Qwen Max | Tulu 3 (Tülu 3) 70B |
|---|---|---|
| GPQA Diamond | 56.1% | 46.3% |
| LMArena Expert | 1248 | — |
Multilingual Qwen Max leads
Qwen Max: 42.0 (#197), Tulu 3 (Tülu 3) 70B: 40.1 (#217)
| Benchmark | Qwen Max | Tulu 3 (Tülu 3) 70B |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Non-English | 1263 | 1236 |
| LMArena Chinese | 1254 | 1249 |
| LMArena Russian | 1274 | 1246 |
| LMArena French | 1329 | — |
| LMArena German | 1254 | — |
| LMArena Japanese | 1205 | — |
| LMArena Korean | 1141 | — |
| LMArena Spanish | 1290 | — |
Instruction Following Qwen Max leads
Qwen Max: 66.7 (#203), Tulu 3 (Tülu 3) 70B: 65.0 (#222)
| Benchmark | Qwen Max | Tulu 3 (Tülu 3) 70B |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Instruction Following | 1262 | 1233 |
Long Context Qwen Max leads
Qwen Max: 39.4 (#175), Tulu 3 (Tülu 3) 70B: 37.1 (#217)
| Benchmark | Qwen Max | Tulu 3 (Tülu 3) 70B |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Longer Query | 1289 | 1224 |
| Fiction.LiveBench | 66.7% | — |
Writing & Preference Qwen Max leads
Qwen Max: 48.0 (#200), Tulu 3 (Tülu 3) 70B: 45.8 (#218)
| Benchmark | Qwen Max | Tulu 3 (Tülu 3) 70B |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Text | 1282 | 1256 |
| LMArena Creative Writing | 1248 | 1231 |
| LMArena Multi-Turn | 1277 | 1252 |
Frequently asked questions
Is Qwen Max better than Tulu 3 (Tülu 3) 70B?
Qwen Max is the stronger model overall, scoring 34.4 to 32.6 on the Noometry Index.
Is Qwen Max or Tulu 3 (Tülu 3) 70B better for coding?
Tulu 3 (Tülu 3) 70B scores higher on coding benchmarks: 35.4 versus 30.3 in the Noometry coding category.
How many benchmarks do Qwen Max and Tulu 3 (Tülu 3) 70B share?
14 benchmarks have published results for both models. Qwen Max has 23 scored results on Noometry and Tulu 3 (Tülu 3) 70B has 14.