Noometry

Model comparison

Grok 3 vs Qwen3.8 Max

Qwen3.8 Max is the stronger model overall, scoring 56.8 to 39.9 on the Noometry Index.

Last verified . 20 shared benchmarks.

Grok 3 xAI

39.9

Rank #157 Confirmed

Qwen3.8 Max Alibaba (Qwen)

56.8

Rank #22 Confirmed

Summary

  • They share 20 benchmarks with published results for both. Grok 3 scores higher in 0 categories and Qwen3.8 Max in 9 categories; 9 gaps are clear of the uncertainty.
  • The widest gap is in reasoning, where Qwen3.8 Max leads 54.4 to 13.7.
  • The biggest single-benchmark swing is OTIS Mock AIME 2024-2025: 55.6% for Grok 3 and 100% for Qwen3.8 Max.

Side by side

Grok 3Qwen3.8 Max
ProviderxAIAlibaba (Qwen)
Noometry Index39.956.8
Released2025-04-092026-08-02
WeightsProprietaryProprietary
Context window—1M
Max output—131K
Input $ / M tokens—$2
Output $ / M tokens—$6
Results tracked4039

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Category by category

Coding Qwen3.8 Max leads

Grok 3: 41.9 (#115), Qwen3.8 Max: 53.5 (#29)

BenchmarkGrok 3Qwen3.8 Max
LMArena Coding14321502
DeepSWE—57.5%
Aider Polyglot53.3%—
LMArena WebDev—1674
FrontierSWE—17.8%
SciCode—53.2%
WeirdML37.2%—

Agentic & Tool Use Qwen3.8 Max leads

Grok 3: 30.5 (#76), Qwen3.8 Max: 45.4 (#14)

BenchmarkGrok 3Qwen3.8 Max
APEX-Agents—63.3%
τ²-bench Banking—55.1%
BALROG29.5%—
GDP.pdf—23.2%

Reasoning Qwen3.8 Max leads

Grok 3: 13.7 (#333), Qwen3.8 Max: 54.4 (#26)

BenchmarkGrok 3Qwen3.8 Max
LMArena Hard Prompts14341496
Epoch Capabilities Index138.33156.41
ARC-AGI-20%—
SimpleBench36.1%—
Kagi LLM Benchmark61.3%—
NYT Connections (extended)—88.3%
ARC-AGI-15.5%—
CritPt—20%
Chess Puzzles—40%
Mystery Game Puzzles—38%
DTBench—92%
LMCA—46.2%

Math Qwen3.8 Max leads

Grok 3: 38.0 (#145), Qwen3.8 Max: 73.2 (#20)

BenchmarkGrok 3Qwen3.8 Max
OTIS Mock AIME 2024-202555.6%100%
LMArena Math13911499
FrontierMath (Tiers 1-3)—74.7%
FrontierMath Tier 4—46.3%
ProofBench—58%
Omni-MATH46.4%—
MATH Level 588.7%—
FrontierMath (Feb 2025 set)3.8%—
FrontierMath Tier 4 (v1)0%—

Knowledge Qwen3.8 Max leads

Grok 3: 46.2 (#82), Qwen3.8 Max: 61.7 (#27)

BenchmarkGrok 3Qwen3.8 Max
GPQA Diamond75.8%92.7%
LMArena Expert14211507
SimpleQA Verified—47.3%
MMLU-Pro78.8%—
Confabulations14.2%—
Vectara Hallucination Rate5.8%—
GPQA (HELM)65%—

Multimodal Not comparable

Grok 3: —, Qwen3.8 Max: 37.2 (#75)

BenchmarkGrok 3Qwen3.8 Max
LMArena Vision—1314
Furniture Assembly—20%

Multilingual Qwen3.8 Max leads

Grok 3: 52.3 (#87), Qwen3.8 Max: 56.7 (#18)

BenchmarkGrok 3Qwen3.8 Max
LMArena Non-English14101472
LMArena Chinese14481538
LMArena French14601503
LMArena German14311483
LMArena Japanese13871467
LMArena Korean13731461
LMArena Russian14161481
LMArena Spanish14171492

Instruction Following Qwen3.8 Max leads

Grok 3: 75.0 (#73), Qwen3.8 Max: 77.6 (#17)

BenchmarkGrok 3Qwen3.8 Max
LMArena Instruction Following14091479
IFEval88.4%—

Long Context Qwen3.8 Max leads

Grok 3: 38.7 (#192), Qwen3.8 Max: 45.6 (#31)

BenchmarkGrok 3Qwen3.8 Max
LMArena Longer Query14391489
Fiction.LiveBench58.3%—

Writing & Preference Qwen3.8 Max leads

Grok 3: 55.8 (#141), Qwen3.8 Max: 67.1 (#30)

BenchmarkGrok 3Qwen3.8 Max
LMArena Text14261483
LMArena Creative Writing14141479
LMArena Multi-Turn14251489
Short-Story Creative Writing76.4%—
EQ-Bench Creative Writing1186—
WildBench84.9%—

Frequently asked questions

Is Grok 3 better than Qwen3.8 Max?

Qwen3.8 Max is the stronger model overall, scoring 56.8 to 39.9 on the Noometry Index.

Is Grok 3 or Qwen3.8 Max better for coding?

Qwen3.8 Max scores higher on coding benchmarks: 53.5 versus 41.9 in the Noometry coding category.

How many benchmarks do Grok 3 and Qwen3.8 Max share?

20 benchmarks have published results for both models. Grok 3 has 40 scored results on Noometry and Qwen3.8 Max has 39.

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