# Llama 3-70B vs Qwen3.8 Max

> Qwen3.8 Max is the stronger model overall, scoring 56.8 to 28.8 on the Noometry Index.

- Canonical page: https://noometry.com/compare/llama-3-70b-vs-qwen3-8-max
- Last updated: 2026-10-10
- Shared benchmarks: 21

## Summary

- They share 21 benchmarks with published results for both. Llama 3-70B scores higher in 0 categories and Qwen3.8 Max in 9 categories; 9 gaps are clear of the uncertainty.
- The widest gap is in math, where Qwen3.8 Max leads 73.2 to 12.8.
- The biggest single-benchmark swing is OTIS Mock AIME 2024-2025: 4.3% for Llama 3-70B and 100% for Qwen3.8 Max.
- Llama 3-70B has downloadable open weights; the other is API-only.

## Snapshot

| | Llama 3-70B | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| Provider | Meta | Alibaba (Qwen) |
| Noometry Index | 28.8 | 56.8 |
| Rank | 323 | 22 |
| Context | — | 1M |
| Input $/M | — | $2 |
| Output $/M | — | $6 |
| Weights | Open | Proprietary |

## Coding

- Llama 3-70B: 35.8 (#218)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 53.5 (#29)

| Benchmark | Llama 3-70B | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Coding | 1206 | 1502 |
| DeepSWE | — | 57.5% |
| LMArena WebDev | — | 1674 |
| FrontierSWE | — | 17.8% |
| SciCode | — | 53.2% |
| BigCodeBench Instruct | 43.6% | — |
| BigCodeBench Complete | 54.5% | — |
| HumanEval+ | 72% | — |
| MBPP+ | 69% | — |

## Agentic & Tool Use

- Llama 3-70B: 21.1 (#139)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 45.4 (#14)

| Benchmark | Llama 3-70B | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| APEX-Agents | — | 63.3% |
| τ²-bench Banking | — | 55.1% |
| Cybench | 5% | — |
| GDP.pdf | — | 23.2% |

## Reasoning

- Llama 3-70B: 18.0 (#288)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 54.4 (#26)

| Benchmark | Llama 3-70B | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Hard Prompts | 1195 | 1496 |
| DTBench | 54.2% | 92% |
| Epoch Capabilities Index | 122.93 | 156.41 |
| Kagi LLM Benchmark | 35.1% | — |
| NYT Connections (extended) | — | 88.3% |
| CritPt | — | 20% |
| Chess Puzzles | — | 40% |
| Mystery Game Puzzles | — | 38% |
| LMCA | — | 46.2% |
| ForecastBench | 57.1 | — |
| WinoGrande | 83.5% | — |

## Math

- Llama 3-70B: 12.8 (#305)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 73.2 (#20)

| Benchmark | Llama 3-70B | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| OTIS Mock AIME 2024-2025 | 4.3% | 100% |
| LMArena Math | 1218 | 1499 |
| FrontierMath (Tiers 1-3) | — | 74.7% |
| FrontierMath Tier 4 | — | 46.3% |
| ProofBench | — | 58% |
| MATH Level 5 | 22.6% | — |

## Knowledge

- Llama 3-70B: 20.8 (#277)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 61.7 (#27)

| Benchmark | Llama 3-70B | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| GPQA Diamond | 40.6% | 92.7% |
| LMArena Expert | 1149 | 1507 |
| SimpleQA Verified | — | 47.3% |
| MMLU | 79.3% | — |

## Multimodal

- Llama 3-70B: —
- Qwen3.8 Max: 37.2 (#75)

| Benchmark | Llama 3-70B | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Vision | — | 1314 |
| Furniture Assembly | — | 20% |

## Multilingual

- Llama 3-70B: 33.6 (#251)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 56.7 (#18)

| Benchmark | Llama 3-70B | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Non-English | 1142 | 1472 |
| LMArena Chinese | 1114 | 1538 |
| LMArena French | 1232 | 1503 |
| LMArena German | 1169 | 1483 |
| LMArena Japanese | 1017 | 1467 |
| LMArena Korean | 1017 | 1461 |
| LMArena Russian | 1159 | 1481 |
| LMArena Spanish | 1241 | 1492 |

## Instruction Following

- Llama 3-70B: 62.5 (#238)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 77.6 (#17)

| Benchmark | Llama 3-70B | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Instruction Following | 1194 | 1479 |

## Long Context

- Llama 3-70B: 35.6 (#240)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 45.6 (#31)

| Benchmark | Llama 3-70B | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Longer Query | 1174 | 1489 |

## Writing & Preference

- Llama 3-70B: 42.8 (#231)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 67.1 (#30)

| Benchmark | Llama 3-70B | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Text | 1221 | 1483 |
| LMArena Creative Writing | 1210 | 1479 |
| LMArena Multi-Turn | 1223 | 1489 |

## FAQ

### Is Llama 3-70B better than Qwen3.8 Max?

Qwen3.8 Max is the stronger model overall, scoring 56.8 to 28.8 on the Noometry Index.

### Is Llama 3-70B or Qwen3.8 Max better for coding?

Qwen3.8 Max scores higher on coding benchmarks: 53.5 versus 35.8 in the Noometry coding category.

### How many benchmarks do Llama 3-70B and Qwen3.8 Max share?

21 benchmarks have published results for both models. Llama 3-70B has 31 scored results on Noometry and Qwen3.8 Max has 39.