# Grok 4.5 vs Qwen3.8 Flash

> Grok 4.5 has enough public results to be ranked (#22); Qwen3.8 Flash does not yet, so treat this comparison as directional.

- Canonical page: https://noometry.com/compare/grok-4-5-vs-qwen3-8-flash
- Last updated: 2026-10-10
- Shared benchmarks: 1

## Summary

- They share 1 benchmark with published results for both. Grok 4.5 scores higher in 1 category and Qwen3.8 Flash in 0 categories; one gap is clear of the uncertainty.
- The widest gap is in agentic & tool use, where Grok 4.5 leads 44.4 to 31.2.
- Qwen3.8 Flash is cheaper at $0.15 / $0.47 per million input/output tokens, against $2 / $6 for Grok 4.5.
- Qwen3.8 Flash accepts more context: 1M tokens versus 500K.

## Snapshot

| | Grok 4.5 | Qwen3.8 Flash |
|---|---|---|
| Provider | xAI | Alibaba (Qwen) |
| Noometry Index | 55.0 | 35.1 |
| Rank | 22 | — |
| Context | 500K | 1M |
| Input $/M | $2 | $0.15 |
| Output $/M | $6 | $0.47 |
| Weights | Proprietary | Proprietary |

## Coding

- Grok 4.5: 51.7 (#34)
- Qwen3.8 Flash: —

| Benchmark | Grok 4.5 | Qwen3.8 Flash |
|---|---|---|
| DeepSWE | 53.8% | — |
| FrontierCode | 42.4% | — |
| LMArena WebDev | 1552 | — |
| SciCode | 54.1% | — |
| WeirdML | 46.4% | — |
| LMArena Coding | 1473 | — |
| ALE-Bench | 1,309 | — |

## Agentic & Tool Use

- Grok 4.5: 44.4 (#15)
- Qwen3.8 Flash: 31.2

| Benchmark | Grok 4.5 | Qwen3.8 Flash |
|---|---|---|
| GDP.pdf | 14% | 16.6% |
| APEX-Agents | 56.2% | — |
| τ²-bench Banking | 47.9% | — |
| PostTrainBench | 23.4% | — |
| GBAEval | 65.4% | — |
| LMArena Search | 1213 | — |
| Vending-Bench 2 | 3,887 | — |

## Reasoning

- Grok 4.5: 56.0 (#23)
- Qwen3.8 Flash: —

| Benchmark | Grok 4.5 | Qwen3.8 Flash |
|---|---|---|
| ARC-AGI-2 | 52.6% | — |
| SimpleBench | 70% | — |
| Kagi LLM Benchmark | 83.5% | — |
| NYT Connections (extended) | 79.9% | — |
| ARC-AGI-1 | 87.2% | — |
| CritPt | 15.4% | — |
| Chess Puzzles | 36% | — |
| LMArena Hard Prompts | 1462 | — |
| DTBench | 96.5% | — |
| LMCA | 45.2% | — |
| Surface Evolver Bench | 74.4% | — |
| Epoch Capabilities Index | 154.02 | — |

## Math

- Grok 4.5: 60.7 (#29)
- Qwen3.8 Flash: —

| Benchmark | Grok 4.5 | Qwen3.8 Flash |
|---|---|---|
| FrontierMath (Tiers 1-3) | 57.2% | — |
| FrontierMath Tier 4 | 24.4% | — |
| OTIS Mock AIME 2024-2025 | 97.8% | — |
| ProofBench | 31% | — |
| LMArena Math | 1457 | — |

## Knowledge

- Grok 4.5: 62.3 (#21)
- Qwen3.8 Flash: —

| Benchmark | Grok 4.5 | Qwen3.8 Flash |
|---|---|---|
| GPQA Diamond | 93.4% | — |
| SimpleQA Verified | 48.3% | — |
| LMArena Expert | 1466 | — |

## Multimodal

- Grok 4.5: 37.8 (#63)
- Qwen3.8 Flash: —

| Benchmark | Grok 4.5 | Qwen3.8 Flash |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Vision | 1287 | — |
| Blueprint-Bench 2 | 27.3% | — |
| Furniture Assembly | 22.5% | — |
| LMArena Document | 1452 | — |

## Multilingual

- Grok 4.5: 54.5 (#43)
- Qwen3.8 Flash: —

| Benchmark | Grok 4.5 | Qwen3.8 Flash |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Non-English | 1439 | — |
| LMArena Chinese | 1497 | — |
| LMArena French | 1458 | — |
| LMArena German | 1448 | — |
| LMArena Japanese | 1425 | — |
| LMArena Korean | 1402 | — |
| LMArena Russian | 1447 | — |
| LMArena Spanish | 1452 | — |

## Instruction Following

- Grok 4.5: 76.3 (#45)
- Qwen3.8 Flash: —

| Benchmark | Grok 4.5 | Qwen3.8 Flash |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Instruction Following | 1446 | — |

## Long Context

- Grok 4.5: 44.8 (#54)
- Qwen3.8 Flash: —

| Benchmark | Grok 4.5 | Qwen3.8 Flash |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Longer Query | 1463 | — |

## Writing & Preference

- Grok 4.5: 65.9 (#40)
- Qwen3.8 Flash: —

| Benchmark | Grok 4.5 | Qwen3.8 Flash |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Text | 1448 | — |
| LMArena Creative Writing | 1442 | — |
| EQ-Bench Creative Writing | 1579 | — |
| LMArena Multi-Turn | 1457 | — |

## FAQ

### Is Grok 4.5 better than Qwen3.8 Flash?

Grok 4.5 has enough public results to be ranked (#22); Qwen3.8 Flash does not yet, so treat this comparison as directional.

### Which is cheaper, Grok 4.5 or Qwen3.8 Flash?

Qwen3.8 Flash is cheaper. It lists at $0.15 per million input tokens and $0.47 per million output tokens; Grok 4.5 lists at $2 and $6.

### Which has the bigger context window?

Qwen3.8 Flash does, with 1M tokens against 500K.

### How many benchmarks do Grok 4.5 and Qwen3.8 Flash share?

1 benchmark has published results for both models. Grok 4.5 has 52 scored results on Noometry and Qwen3.8 Flash has 1.