# Grok 4.1 vs Qwen3.8 Max

> Qwen3.8 Max is the stronger model overall, scoring 56.0 to 40.8 on the Noometry Index.

- Canonical page: https://noometry.com/compare/grok-4-1-vs-qwen3-8-max
- Last updated: 2026-10-10
- Shared benchmarks: 18

## Summary

- They share 18 benchmarks with published results for both. Grok 4.1 scores higher in 0 categories and Qwen3.8 Max in 9 categories; 9 gaps are clear of the uncertainty.
- The widest gap is in math, where Qwen3.8 Max leads 73.1 to 36.2.

## Snapshot

| | Grok 4.1 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| Provider | xAI | Alibaba (Qwen) |
| Noometry Index | 40.8 | 56.0 |
| Rank | 135 | 21 |
| Context | — | 1M |
| Input $/M | — | $2 |
| Output $/M | — | $6 |
| Weights | Proprietary | Proprietary |

## Coding

- Grok 4.1: 33.4 (#246)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 52.3 (#30)

| Benchmark | Grok 4.1 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena WebDev | 1214 | 1671 |
| LMArena Coding | 1445 | 1499 |
| DeepSWE | — | 57.5% |
| FrontierSWE | — | 15.8% |
| SciCode | — | 52.9% |

## Agentic & Tool Use

- Grok 4.1: 33.8 (#47)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 42.6 (#17)

| Benchmark | Grok 4.1 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| τ²-bench Banking | — | 55.1% |
| Cybench | 39% | — |
| GDP.pdf | — | 23.2% |

## Reasoning

- Grok 4.1: 28.3 (#91)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 53.4 (#26)

| Benchmark | Grok 4.1 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Hard Prompts | 1436 | 1493 |
| NYT Connections (extended) | — | 88.3% |
| CritPt | — | 20% |
| Chess Puzzles | — | 40% |
| Mystery Game Puzzles | — | 38% |
| DTBench | — | 92% |
| LMCA | — | 46.2% |
| Epoch Capabilities Index | — | 156.69 |

## Math

- Grok 4.1: 36.2 (#124)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 73.1 (#15)

| Benchmark | Grok 4.1 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Math | 1422 | 1498 |
| FrontierMath (Tiers 1-3) | — | 74.7% |
| FrontierMath Tier 4 | — | 46.3% |
| OTIS Mock AIME 2024-2025 | — | 100% |
| ProofBench | — | 58% |

## Knowledge

- Grok 4.1: 38.9 (#129)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 61.7 (#25)

| Benchmark | Grok 4.1 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Expert | 1417 | 1504 |
| GPQA Diamond | — | 92.7% |
| SimpleQA Verified | — | 47.3% |

## Multimodal

- Grok 4.1: —
- Qwen3.8 Max: 36.9 (#70)

| Benchmark | Grok 4.1 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Vision | — | 1314 |
| Furniture Assembly | — | 20% |

## Multilingual

- Grok 4.1: 53.6 (#64)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 56.6 (#18)

| Benchmark | Grok 4.1 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Non-English | 1425 | 1468 |
| LMArena Chinese | 1464 | 1537 |
| LMArena French | 1448 | 1502 |
| LMArena German | 1447 | 1489 |
| LMArena Japanese | 1396 | 1466 |
| LMArena Korean | 1407 | 1467 |
| LMArena Russian | 1434 | 1478 |
| LMArena Spanish | 1438 | 1495 |

## Instruction Following

- Grok 4.1: 74.0 (#106)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 77.7 (#19)

| Benchmark | Grok 4.1 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Instruction Following | 1400 | 1478 |

## Long Context

- Grok 4.1: 43.2 (#96)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 45.5 (#30)

| Benchmark | Grok 4.1 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Longer Query | 1416 | 1486 |

## Writing & Preference

- Grok 4.1: 62.6 (#71)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 67.0 (#31)

| Benchmark | Grok 4.1 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Text | 1437 | 1480 |
| LMArena Creative Writing | 1411 | 1478 |
| LMArena Multi-Turn | 1438 | 1487 |

## FAQ

### Is Grok 4.1 better than Qwen3.8 Max?

Qwen3.8 Max is the stronger model overall, scoring 56.0 to 40.8 on the Noometry Index.

### Is Grok 4.1 or Qwen3.8 Max better for coding?

Qwen3.8 Max scores higher on coding benchmarks: 52.3 versus 33.4 in the Noometry coding category.

### How many benchmarks do Grok 4.1 and Qwen3.8 Max share?

18 benchmarks have published results for both models. Grok 4.1 has 19 scored results on Noometry and Qwen3.8 Max has 38.