# Grok 3 vs Qwen3.8 Max

> Qwen3.8 Max is the stronger model overall, scoring 56.8 to 39.9 on the Noometry Index.

- Canonical page: https://noometry.com/compare/grok-3-vs-qwen3-8-max
- Last updated: 2026-10-10
- Shared benchmarks: 20

## Summary

- They share 20 benchmarks with published results for both. Grok 3 scores higher in 0 categories and Qwen3.8 Max in 9 categories; 9 gaps are clear of the uncertainty.
- The widest gap is in reasoning, where Qwen3.8 Max leads 54.4 to 13.7.
- The biggest single-benchmark swing is OTIS Mock AIME 2024-2025: 55.6% for Grok 3 and 100% for Qwen3.8 Max.

## Snapshot

| | Grok 3 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| Provider | xAI | Alibaba (Qwen) |
| Noometry Index | 39.9 | 56.8 |
| Rank | 157 | 22 |
| Context | — | 1M |
| Input $/M | — | $2 |
| Output $/M | — | $6 |
| Weights | Proprietary | Proprietary |

## Coding

- Grok 3: 41.9 (#115)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 53.5 (#29)

| Benchmark | Grok 3 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Coding | 1432 | 1502 |
| DeepSWE | — | 57.5% |
| Aider Polyglot | 53.3% | — |
| LMArena WebDev | — | 1674 |
| FrontierSWE | — | 17.8% |
| SciCode | — | 53.2% |
| WeirdML | 37.2% | — |

## Agentic & Tool Use

- Grok 3: 30.5 (#76)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 45.4 (#14)

| Benchmark | Grok 3 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| APEX-Agents | — | 63.3% |
| τ²-bench Banking | — | 55.1% |
| BALROG | 29.5% | — |
| GDP.pdf | — | 23.2% |

## Reasoning

- Grok 3: 13.7 (#333)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 54.4 (#26)

| Benchmark | Grok 3 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Hard Prompts | 1434 | 1496 |
| Epoch Capabilities Index | 138.33 | 156.41 |
| ARC-AGI-2 | 0% | — |
| SimpleBench | 36.1% | — |
| Kagi LLM Benchmark | 61.3% | — |
| NYT Connections (extended) | — | 88.3% |
| ARC-AGI-1 | 5.5% | — |
| CritPt | — | 20% |
| Chess Puzzles | — | 40% |
| Mystery Game Puzzles | — | 38% |
| DTBench | — | 92% |
| LMCA | — | 46.2% |

## Math

- Grok 3: 38.0 (#145)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 73.2 (#20)

| Benchmark | Grok 3 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| OTIS Mock AIME 2024-2025 | 55.6% | 100% |
| LMArena Math | 1391 | 1499 |
| FrontierMath (Tiers 1-3) | — | 74.7% |
| FrontierMath Tier 4 | — | 46.3% |
| ProofBench | — | 58% |
| Omni-MATH | 46.4% | — |
| MATH Level 5 | 88.7% | — |
| FrontierMath (Feb 2025 set) | 3.8% | — |
| FrontierMath Tier 4 (v1) | 0% | — |

## Knowledge

- Grok 3: 46.2 (#82)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 61.7 (#27)

| Benchmark | Grok 3 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| GPQA Diamond | 75.8% | 92.7% |
| LMArena Expert | 1421 | 1507 |
| SimpleQA Verified | — | 47.3% |
| MMLU-Pro | 78.8% | — |
| Confabulations | 14.2% | — |
| Vectara Hallucination Rate | 5.8% | — |
| GPQA (HELM) | 65% | — |

## Multimodal

- Grok 3: —
- Qwen3.8 Max: 37.2 (#75)

| Benchmark | Grok 3 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Vision | — | 1314 |
| Furniture Assembly | — | 20% |

## Multilingual

- Grok 3: 52.3 (#87)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 56.7 (#18)

| Benchmark | Grok 3 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Non-English | 1410 | 1472 |
| LMArena Chinese | 1448 | 1538 |
| LMArena French | 1460 | 1503 |
| LMArena German | 1431 | 1483 |
| LMArena Japanese | 1387 | 1467 |
| LMArena Korean | 1373 | 1461 |
| LMArena Russian | 1416 | 1481 |
| LMArena Spanish | 1417 | 1492 |

## Instruction Following

- Grok 3: 75.0 (#73)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 77.6 (#17)

| Benchmark | Grok 3 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Instruction Following | 1409 | 1479 |
| IFEval | 88.4% | — |

## Long Context

- Grok 3: 38.7 (#192)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 45.6 (#31)

| Benchmark | Grok 3 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Longer Query | 1439 | 1489 |
| Fiction.LiveBench | 58.3% | — |

## Writing & Preference

- Grok 3: 55.8 (#141)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 67.1 (#30)

| Benchmark | Grok 3 | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Text | 1426 | 1483 |
| LMArena Creative Writing | 1414 | 1479 |
| LMArena Multi-Turn | 1425 | 1489 |
| Short-Story Creative Writing | 76.4% | — |
| EQ-Bench Creative Writing | 1186 | — |
| WildBench | 84.9% | — |

## FAQ

### Is Grok 3 better than Qwen3.8 Max?

Qwen3.8 Max is the stronger model overall, scoring 56.8 to 39.9 on the Noometry Index.

### Is Grok 3 or Qwen3.8 Max better for coding?

Qwen3.8 Max scores higher on coding benchmarks: 53.5 versus 41.9 in the Noometry coding category.

### How many benchmarks do Grok 3 and Qwen3.8 Max share?

20 benchmarks have published results for both models. Grok 3 has 40 scored results on Noometry and Qwen3.8 Max has 39.