# Grok-3 mini vs Qwen3.8 Max

> Qwen3.8 Max is the stronger model overall, scoring 56.8 to 41.2 on the Noometry Index.

- Canonical page: https://noometry.com/compare/grok-3-mini-vs-qwen3-8-max
- Last updated: 2026-10-10
- Shared benchmarks: 20

## Summary

- They share 20 benchmarks with published results for both. Grok-3 mini scores higher in 1 category and Qwen3.8 Max in 7 categories; 7 gaps are clear of the uncertainty.
- The widest gap is in reasoning, where Qwen3.8 Max leads 54.4 to 13.6.
- The biggest single-benchmark swing is OTIS Mock AIME 2024-2025: 77.8% for Grok-3 mini and 100% for Qwen3.8 Max.

## Snapshot

| | Grok-3 mini | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| Provider | xAI | Alibaba (Qwen) |
| Noometry Index | 41.2 | 56.8 |
| Rank | 141 | 22 |
| Context | — | 1M |
| Input $/M | — | $2 |
| Output $/M | — | $6 |
| Weights | Proprietary | Proprietary |

## Coding

- Grok-3 mini: 40.8 (#131)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 53.5 (#29)

| Benchmark | Grok-3 mini | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Coding | 1379 | 1502 |
| DeepSWE | — | 57.5% |
| Aider Polyglot | 49.3% | — |
| LMArena WebDev | — | 1674 |
| FrontierSWE | — | 17.8% |
| SciCode | — | 53.2% |
| WeirdML | 42.6% | — |

## Agentic & Tool Use

- Grok-3 mini: —
- Qwen3.8 Max: 45.4 (#14)

| Benchmark | Grok-3 mini | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| APEX-Agents | — | 63.3% |
| τ²-bench Banking | — | 55.1% |
| GDP.pdf | — | 23.2% |

## Reasoning

- Grok-3 mini: 13.6 (#334)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 54.4 (#26)

| Benchmark | Grok-3 mini | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Hard Prompts | 1375 | 1496 |
| Epoch Capabilities Index | 140.35 | 156.41 |
| ARC-AGI-2 | 0.4% | — |
| Kagi LLM Benchmark | 61.3% | — |
| NYT Connections (extended) | — | 88.3% |
| ARC-AGI-1 | 16.5% | — |
| CritPt | — | 20% |
| Chess Puzzles | — | 40% |
| Mystery Game Puzzles | — | 38% |
| DTBench | — | 92% |
| LMCA | — | 46.2% |

## Math

- Grok-3 mini: 42.1 (#85)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 73.2 (#20)

| Benchmark | Grok-3 mini | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| OTIS Mock AIME 2024-2025 | 77.8% | 100% |
| LMArena Math | 1386 | 1499 |
| FrontierMath (Tiers 1-3) | — | 74.7% |
| FrontierMath Tier 4 | — | 46.3% |
| ProofBench | — | 58% |
| Omni-MATH | 31.8% | — |
| MATH Level 5 | 90.9% | — |
| FrontierMath (Feb 2025 set) | 5.9% | — |

## Knowledge

- Grok-3 mini: 46.4 (#81)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 61.7 (#27)

| Benchmark | Grok-3 mini | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| GPQA Diamond | 76.3% | 92.7% |
| LMArena Expert | 1395 | 1507 |
| SimpleQA Verified | — | 47.3% |
| MMLU-Pro | 79.9% | — |
| Confabulations | 10.8% | — |
| GPQA (HELM) | 67.5% | — |

## Multimodal

- Grok-3 mini: —
- Qwen3.8 Max: 37.2 (#75)

| Benchmark | Grok-3 mini | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Vision | — | 1314 |
| Furniture Assembly | — | 20% |

## Multilingual

- Grok-3 mini: 48.1 (#145)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 56.7 (#18)

| Benchmark | Grok-3 mini | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Non-English | 1352 | 1472 |
| LMArena Chinese | 1387 | 1538 |
| LMArena French | 1357 | 1503 |
| LMArena German | 1349 | 1483 |
| LMArena Japanese | 1342 | 1467 |
| LMArena Korean | 1335 | 1461 |
| LMArena Russian | 1353 | 1481 |
| LMArena Spanish | 1381 | 1492 |

## Instruction Following

- Grok-3 mini: 78.5 (#9)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 77.6 (#17)

| Benchmark | Grok-3 mini | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Instruction Following | 1357 | 1479 |
| IFEval | 95.1% | — |

## Long Context

- Grok-3 mini: 41.0 (#147)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 45.6 (#31)

| Benchmark | Grok-3 mini | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Longer Query | 1372 | 1489 |
| Fiction.LiveBench | 66.7% | — |

## Writing & Preference

- Grok-3 mini: 52.5 (#169)
- Qwen3.8 Max: 67.1 (#30)

| Benchmark | Grok-3 mini | Qwen3.8 Max |
|---|---|---|
| LMArena Text | 1370 | 1483 |
| LMArena Creative Writing | 1342 | 1479 |
| LMArena Multi-Turn | 1355 | 1489 |
| Short-Story Creative Writing | 73.5% | — |
| WildBench | 65.1% | — |

## FAQ

### Is Grok-3 mini better than Qwen3.8 Max?

Qwen3.8 Max is the stronger model overall, scoring 56.8 to 41.2 on the Noometry Index.

### Is Grok-3 mini or Qwen3.8 Max better for coding?

Qwen3.8 Max scores higher on coding benchmarks: 53.5 versus 40.8 in the Noometry coding category.

### How many benchmarks do Grok-3 mini and Qwen3.8 Max share?

20 benchmarks have published results for both models. Grok-3 mini has 35 scored results on Noometry and Qwen3.8 Max has 39.