Noometry

Model comparison

Grok 4 vs Qwen3.8 Max

Qwen3.8 Max is the stronger model overall, scoring 56.8 to 48.1 on the Noometry Index.

Last verified . 22 shared benchmarks.

Grok 4 xAI

48.1

Rank #56 Confirmed

Qwen3.8 Max Alibaba (Qwen)

56.8

Rank #22 Confirmed

Summary

  • They share 22 benchmarks with published results for both. Grok 4 scores higher in 2 categories and Qwen3.8 Max in 8 categories; 10 gaps are clear of the uncertainty.
  • The widest gap is in math, where Qwen3.8 Max leads 73.2 to 48.4.
  • The biggest single-benchmark swing is OTIS Mock AIME 2024-2025: 84% for Grok 4 and 100% for Qwen3.8 Max.

Side by side

Grok 4Qwen3.8 Max
ProviderxAIAlibaba (Qwen)
Noometry Index48.156.8
Released2025-07-092026-08-02
WeightsProprietaryProprietary
Context window—1M
Max output—131K
Input $ / M tokens—$2
Output $ / M tokens—$6
Results tracked4839

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Category by category

Coding Qwen3.8 Max leads

Grok 4: 50.3 (#46), Qwen3.8 Max: 53.5 (#29)

BenchmarkGrok 4Qwen3.8 Max
LMArena Coding14081502
DeepSWE—57.5%
Aider Polyglot79.6%—
LMArena WebDev—1674
FrontierSWE—17.8%
SciCode—53.2%
WeirdML45.7%—

Agentic & Tool Use Qwen3.8 Max leads

Grok 4: 32.3 (#68), Qwen3.8 Max: 45.4 (#14)

BenchmarkGrok 4Qwen3.8 Max
Terminal-Bench27.2%—
APEX-Agents—63.3%
Berkeley Function Calling Leaderboard63%—
GDPval21.1%—
τ²-bench Banking—55.1%
Cybench43%—
DeepResearch Bench47.3%—
BALROG43.6%—
GDP.pdf—23.2%
LMArena Search1142—
METR Time Horizons66.6%—

Reasoning Qwen3.8 Max leads

Grok 4: 36.7 (#65), Qwen3.8 Max: 54.4 (#26)

BenchmarkGrok 4Qwen3.8 Max
Chess Puzzles28%40%
LMArena Hard Prompts14091496
Epoch Capabilities Index146.44156.41
ARC-AGI-216%—
SimpleBench60.5%—
Kagi LLM Benchmark73.6%—
NYT Connections (extended)—88.3%
ARC-AGI-166.7%—
CritPt—20%
Mystery Game Puzzles—38%
DTBench—92%
LMCA—46.2%
ForecastBench60.9—

Math Qwen3.8 Max leads

Grok 4: 48.4 (#64), Qwen3.8 Max: 73.2 (#20)

BenchmarkGrok 4Qwen3.8 Max
OTIS Mock AIME 2024-202584%100%
LMArena Math14221499
FrontierMath (Tiers 1-3)—74.7%
FrontierMath Tier 4—46.3%
ProofBench—58%
Omni-MATH60.3%—
FrontierMath (Feb 2025 set)19.7%—
FrontierMath Tier 4 (v1)2.1%—

Knowledge Qwen3.8 Max leads

Grok 4: 53.8 (#55), Qwen3.8 Max: 61.7 (#27)

BenchmarkGrok 4Qwen3.8 Max
GPQA Diamond87%92.7%
LMArena Expert14151507
SimpleQA Verified—47.3%
MMLU-Pro85.1%—
Confabulations12.4%—
GPQA (HELM)72.7%—

Multimodal Qwen3.8 Max leads

Grok 4: 33.7 (#94), Qwen3.8 Max: 37.2 (#75)

BenchmarkGrok 4Qwen3.8 Max
LMArena Vision12101314
GeoBench45%—
Furniture Assembly—20%

Multilingual Qwen3.8 Max leads

Grok 4: 51.8 (#103), Qwen3.8 Max: 56.7 (#18)

BenchmarkGrok 4Qwen3.8 Max
LMArena Non-English14031472
LMArena Chinese14271538
LMArena French14181503
LMArena German14291483
LMArena Japanese13941467
LMArena Korean13771461
LMArena Russian14101481
LMArena Spanish14201492

Instruction Following Grok 4 leads

Grok 4: 79.2 (#5), Qwen3.8 Max: 77.6 (#17)

BenchmarkGrok 4Qwen3.8 Max
LMArena Instruction Following13871479
IFEval94.9%—

Long Context Grok 4 leads

Grok 4: 63.1 (#4), Qwen3.8 Max: 45.6 (#31)

BenchmarkGrok 4Qwen3.8 Max
LMArena Longer Query14091489
Fiction.LiveBench94.4%—

Writing & Preference Qwen3.8 Max leads

Grok 4: 58.5 (#116), Qwen3.8 Max: 67.1 (#30)

BenchmarkGrok 4Qwen3.8 Max
LMArena Text14111483
LMArena Creative Writing13971479
LMArena Multi-Turn14161489
Short-Story Creative Writing76.9%—
WildBench79.7%—

Frequently asked questions

Is Grok 4 better than Qwen3.8 Max?

Qwen3.8 Max is the stronger model overall, scoring 56.8 to 48.1 on the Noometry Index.

Is Grok 4 or Qwen3.8 Max better for coding?

Qwen3.8 Max scores higher on coding benchmarks: 53.5 versus 50.3 in the Noometry coding category.

How many benchmarks do Grok 4 and Qwen3.8 Max share?

22 benchmarks have published results for both models. Grok 4 has 48 scored results on Noometry and Qwen3.8 Max has 39.

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